Hello all again.
As I have written in Part 1, this time I would like to describe how other
governments and the police were solving the problem with football hooligans.
England
English were the most dangerous football hooligans. They terrorized all
stadiums in the seventies.
There were many dead and wounded during these fans combat.
The extermination of stadium's banditry began in the late eighties when the
government introduced new stadium laws. This law's acts restricted
entrance to the stadium only for these fans who has ID cards. During
production of the card, English police collected all information about the
fans. When they needed to identify the hooligans they could use this
information.
In the UK penalties for football hooligans are issued very quickly. A Person
who throws anything or enters the grass is arrested.
The most common penalty are:
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lifetime stadium bans
- very high fine - even a few thousands pounds
- penalties for clubs - even a few tens of thousands pounds
- during the match hooligans must stay at the police station
Germany:
Football hooligans entered the stadium during the Saturday's match in
Germany. But their police took control of this situation very quickly. You
can see the whole action at the video above. It's a shame that our police can
not handle it so well. Germany has very similar legal acts as the United
Kingdom so their hooligans have calmed down in recent years.
If you are interested in this situation at other countries, I encourage you
to familiarize with this
Questions:
1. What do you think about legal acts concerning football hooligans in UK?
2. Do you think that our government also should make such acts of law?
3. Which country, in your opinion, does have the most dangerous football hooligans?
Sources:
http://gwizdek24.se.pl/pilka-nozna/inne/uczcie-sie-od-niemieckiej-policji_183973.html
http://lucasinho.blox.pl/2010/05/Sposob-na-pseudokibicow.html
http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/1,80269,9546313,Bat_na_kiboli.html
I definitely support penalties for football hooligans. They're not just fans of football, if they are at all. Match is just opportunity to initiate a fight for them. So they should be treated like other criminals. I can't see the diffrence between fighting on the playing field and fighting on the street.
ReplyDeleteAnd Yes I think our government should make such acts of law as British made. And should be more restrictive, much more..
I don't know much about football but I heard that british hooligans are really agressive ones..although I don't know situation on international football scene I don't think Polish "fans" are calmer or more cultured then british//
British hools are definitely the most famous. I wondered if there are any statistics about improvement of situation after introducing this new legal acts. Actually, I made an effort to find them and got this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4407844.stm. It seems it works. As I wrote in my previous comment I suppose that identification of football fans may be a good method to calm down the hooligans. Still, I don't think this kind of matters should be resolved by politicians. I think that our law already obligate organisers to keep participants safety.
ReplyDeleteDefinitely I support the idea of throwing out from stadiums the hooligans for the rest of their lives. I can't understand why in Poland they are afraid of this. Because stadium will become empty? Yes, empty of hooligans but they will became new fans, this who now are afraid of going there. Stadium and this 90 minutes are the sport eave, teams are fighting on the field for fun pleasure. Maybe there should be created another league, where hooligans will be the main attraction if it is necessary in society for acts of vandalism.It will be clear situation, one who want see match in pleasant atmosphere choose his league, and the others choose theirs. No one will have claims to someone.
ReplyDeleteI really love the point that during the match hooligans must stay at the police station. It is simple and great. Right now banned guys are still on the stadiums because guards are afraid not to let them into. With this point police will take care about this guys and nobody will get hurt. If police will be hard and tough against them, everything will stabilize and we will be watching matches in Poland like now it is in England.
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion there are 2 main points with should be added to the law:
1. Life time bans
2. And for those who have it, during every match free and obligatory visit on the police station.
About your 3rd question. In my opinion english hools are to most popular. I saw them in action about 4 years ago. It made a huge impression on me what crowd can do with a unit. I forgot to addt he really bad impression.
I think that English law is the example, which our government should make happen in Poland. A dozen or so years ago English specatators were the worst, the most brutal and the most rotten in whole Europe or even in the world. Adequate statutes and high financial penalties made English stadiums one of the safest.
ReplyDeleteI have no idea which stadiums are now the most dangerous, but for sure our aren't.;) Every country fights against hooligans and everywhere the situation is slowly getting better. I guess that no longer there are such brutal actions that we could have seen on TV not so long time ago.
1. What do you think about legal acts concerning football hooligans in UK?
ReplyDeleteThey are good example how good government can solve this issue.
2. Do you think that our government also should make such acts of law?
Yes, but I'm almost sure it won't happen because our government needs to distract public oppinion from fiscal problems.
3. Which country, in your opinion, does have the most dangerous football hooligans?
I'm not into football so I have no idea :P
1) I strongly support such a solution. This is nothing but an act of vandalism and if you can be penalized for bad parking - vandalism should be severely punished.
ReplyDelete2) Rather than reinventing the wheel it's better to imitate the best practices of other countries.
3) Poland is probably in the Top 10.
I think that introducing those regulations in England was a good idea. However, I also think that the police in other European countries act in a more efficient way than the Polish police. I would also like to show you all a video of how the Polish police acted before a match in Gdańsk some years ago - this video shows the other side of the coin. I was really disgusted while watching it.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-UeQEraS18
When it comes to our government, the changes introduced by it may help. On the other hand, however, in my opinion the government also wants to carry out a spectacular action against football fans due to the upcoming elections. The hypocrisy of our politicians should never be underestimated. I also wanted to show you another video which (in my opinion) shows that not all football fans are aggressive individuals with a low IQ level. This is how the politicians and the media want to depict them. Watch this video and think of your own opinion.
http://www.wykop.pl/link/741199/staruch-pelny-wywiad-dla-polsat-news-ze-staruchem/
To conclude, I am sure that good legal regulations combined with rational and efficient police actions may finally end the problem of hooliganism among football fans.
That's quite good idea. Such restriction could help to keep vandalism out of the stadiums and could be implemented in Poland as well.
ReplyDeleteBritish hools are definitely most famous and dangerous. As I heard few month ago. We are on the second place, I guess.
1&2. UK had a huge vandalism & hooliganism problem, it was well known and they had to introduce very strict methods of punishment to actually calm the hooligans down. But don't be mislead - the problem of hooliganism still exists in the UK. You just don't see it on the stadium nor the streets anymore.
ReplyDelete3. All hooligans are dangerous when they feel they are unstoppable & whatever they do will go unpunished.
If any of you is interested in the youth sub-culture of skin heads (the early skin heads) & vandalism in the 80s & 90s in the UK "This is England" is a must see.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXDNsPRTANw
I see that the problems in British football has also been raised, I wrote a bit about this in the previous presentation.
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, legislative changes aren't needed in Poland we should begin with the 100% enforcement of what has already been established. Hooligans in Poland are mostly unpunished, they feel that they can easily lead to a fight without fear about the consequences. If the law is not respected, in what other way the government would like to improve abnormal hooligans behavior in Poland.
As far as the most dangerous countries in terms of hooliganism, I'd say that It will be Greece, Turkey and the Balkans. I think that most committed 'ultras' from around the world are in Italy, France, Serbia, Turkey and... Poland.
I think that our hooligans are very dangerous. I'd go for a match, because I do not know what happens if they start a fight. I'm not a football fan, and seeing what happens in the stadiums, the more I am not convinced such a situation.
ReplyDeleteThe Government should introduce as much as possible, the right to protect genuine fans. Frankly a little afraid of these championships in Warsaw, no one knows what comes to mind them as there will be the crowd .......
I heard the Brits dealt with this problem very well. They had to because this sport generates a huge income. If they could, why can't we succeed?
ReplyDeleteHow come we tolerate those thugs calling to overthrow the legal governement? Shouldn't it be greeted with a strong law enforcement response?
For me, they could even chip them, though it's something I strongly dislike.
I think that legal acts in the UK are appropriate and they meet the needs of people who want to go to see a football game in a safe environment. I thank that the legal acts are very harsh however I also think that this is exactly what English soccer needs now. When hooligans strike you have to strike back even harder. It is all about people’s lives.
ReplyDeleteBy all means yes. Our government have nothing to lose now. The situation is getting worse and worse and the longer they wait the worse it is for normal people who want to go to see a football game. Even though these legal acts are harsh they would prevent hooligans from fighting and entering football stadiums.
In my opinion it used to be England that had the worse football fans. However it has drastically changed and right now I consider Poland to have the worst and most dangerous hooligans. In most cases football hooligans are entangled with drug dealing or blackmailing and extortions. So it is not just hooligan acts that make them so dangerous for people.
The movie you have attached with the hoolingans in Germany shows that people there are afraid of police, and probably police in such situations can use force without worrying that later on they will be accused for it (as it is usually in our country now). Take a look that the police didn't have to do anything else than just enter the pitch - and everybody ran back to their stands - its great. In our country when police appears fights are going stronger.
ReplyDeleteI was once on the match lazio-juventus in Italy, and when it looked like something may happen (fans of one club started to things they shouldn't) police appeared immediately in front of them with dogs and water cannons - the effect was also immediate. I would like to see such situation in Poland
I must say that I agree with Tomsi. If our law was more strict the situations on polish stadions would be much better. Our goverment should also improve our acts of law. I didn't heard of any other country with such critical situation with hooligans.
ReplyDelete1. What do you think about legal acts concerning football hooligans in UK?
ReplyDeleteIt's good idea and should be implemented in Poland. English system is effective and we should take ideas from them.
2. Do you think that our government also should make such acts of law?
Yes we should change acts of law in our country. Each hooligan should get the consequences for their actions.
3. Which country, in your opinion, does have the most dangerous football hooligans?
I have no idea which country is the most dangerous, maybe Poland? :)
My post is short because I wrote everything what I thing in two last comments.