Hello again
As I mentioned in the first presentation this part will be about our police
and government reaction for brawls in the stadiums.
In the police eyes
The police drew up a report about the situation that took place in
Bydgoszcz. They listed a few weaknesses, for example:
-badly prepared entrance to the stadium
- no control of entering football fans
- agreement to enter without any control of a few of Legia's "football fans"in order to decorate the stadium.
But for me the most interesting fact is that they - organizers - allowed a car with 20 "football fans" to enter. This car was not controlled at all by
anyone and thanks to that a few people with stadium bans and some of
dangerous things appeared in the stadium.
Another issue which is mentioned by the police is the stadium. According to
them this place is not suitable to organize this type of events - this
stadium is the athletic facility.
Police spokesman about the stadium
Police spokesman about the stadium
But if these are not just excuses? This is not the first brawl during the
match.
Government Wake up
As I mentioned in the first presentation, once again our government declared
war to the stadium hooligans - once again they woke up after the fact.
As the first weapon they chose stadium bans for all footballs fans of Legia
Warszawa and Lech Poznań for all their matches. This decision caused a huge
disappointment of pseudo and real football fans.
The match between Legia Warszawa and Korona Kielce, which took place at the
6th of May, held without football fans presence. Those fans cheered their
team outside of the stadium. In addition to cheering the fans expressed their
view/opinion about our Prime Minister - it was a small protest;).
On these films you can hear and see what they were singing
Polish football fans protesting against closing the stadium - This is the
first time when I saw the true union between different teams' fans.
Questions:
1. What can the police and government do to improve security at stadium?
2. What do you think about fans entering stadiums without any control?
3. Do you think that closing stadiums will solve this problem?
Source: gazeta.pl
I don't think that closing stadiums is a good solution. I don't like collective responsibility and I don't believe in its positive consequences. First of all, I don't think that government should declare war to fans of football - it's silly. Politicians shouldn't engage at all as long as it's possible. As I wrote in my previous comment, the main point is a better control of entrance and banned fans. In the case of what has already happen, the consequences need to meet organizers, not only hooligans. They were responsible to keep the spectators safe. Also, they are people who can change something in the future in contrary to the hools, who will probably behave as they did, even if they would be punished.
ReplyDeleteOfcourse closing stadiums will not solve the problem - because football match should be a spectacle and each spectacle should have its audience. Also we build new stadiums for fans, not to be empty. Control should be strict, each person entering stadium should be controlled and any danger item should be left outside the gate - if someone doesn't want to leave this thing - he doesn't enter - simple as that. Second thing is that there should be some country-wide system in which there would be information about people with bans etc.
ReplyDeleteNext thing is that we should show in tv newses where it is shown how police is dealing with hoolignas etc. - not showing hooligans kicking police ass like it is now
In my opinion, those people that were responsible for the acts of vandalism should be immediately identified and punished. Their example will make other football fans avoid repeating such actions in the future. The police should control in a more efficient way if fans with stadium bans enter matches.
ReplyDeleteI believe that in the long run closing stadiums for all football fans may contribute to a change in this situation. When the ban ends, fans will have a simple choice - either behaving in a proper way or not attending matches at all. If they truly love football and their teams, they will chose the first option. A permanent ban would not be a good solution - most football fans do not destroy stadiums, it is a problem of few of them only. Those vandals should be identified and they should never regain a permission to come to matches. The others, however, should still be able to come to stadiums and support their teams.
Whey do not have to do anything to improve security. Stadiums are for normal people who want to see a spectacle. Look at english stadiums, fans sit there about 3 meters to pitch and there is no huge steel bars and nobody gets hurt and everyone is happy. Because of some people,who in my opinion should be life-banned, our stadiums look like now. There is no sense to imporove seciurity and spends tons on money of it. Simpler and cheaper will bo to ban those guys.
ReplyDeleteClosing stadiums will not help in long turn, because it hurts also this more "conciliatory" fans. Right now it is ok, maybe this vandals will have a time to thing about actions they do, will do, and did and they will accept the consequences and try to change behaviour.
Firs of all the owner of the stadium should hire good security guards, and pay them enough, because it is obvious, that when someone is working for 7zl/h he will take 20zl to hand from "fan" with flare. Secondly, it should be as it is in clubs, there should be selection. In some cases it may be unfair, but generally it will be a good method not to allow suspected person getting in to the stadium. Police should arrest every hooligan and after noticing fact of vandalism send information to the football club administration that he is dangerous and that he should not have permission to participate in matches. Closing stadiums is the worst option, for me it is the way of thinking "it is dangerous so it is better to demolish this". Especially when there are many simple tools to solve this problem.
ReplyDeleteSolutions you have posted are fine but for me problem lies in fact that nobody is really interested in solving this.
ReplyDeleteOur populist government wants just to create impression that it's harsh and is fighting with hooligans, PZPN don't bother and everyone blame everythings on others.
As I said before, high financial penalties and stadium bans or prison for those most active ones.
ReplyDeleteIt's not totally like the spectators entry the stadium with no control. Fans associations have huge influence on it and they push the clubs and unoficially make the rules what can the spectator take to the game.The penalties are included in clubs budget so they won't forbid the fans to take some stuff with because a lot of people would stop coming to studiums.That's, unfortunately, the truth.
Closing stadiums itself won't solve the problem, but it'll show some people, that they won't stay unpunished.
But remember, that spectators are not only inane fanatics, but also normal people.For sure some of you saw Lech Poznan's root in a game with Manchaster City in England. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8vHkNn9f_A&feature=related)
1) The government should create the appropriate rules and the police should enforce them. On this the role of both should be completed. I believe that politicians spend too much time lately on the events associated with football and the police is there to protect private parties. Remember that the police are kept from our taxes and football events are organized by private firms for big money. Why isn't a police officer guarding my car or a my flat?
ReplyDelete2) The control should be much more restrictive. As I mentioned earlier, there should be no possibility of bringing dangerous items into the stadium or entering the game under the influence of alcohol.
3) This does not solve the problem and it is stupid. First we are building stadiums for milions of zlotych and then we should close them?! Come on! :-P
As I mentioned before. I would suggest ID cards for all fans. If you want to buy a ticket you should firstly show your ID card. We have a situation that couldn't be solved and repaired without radical methods. Entering stadiums by the fans without any control is like living your flat open and wish to not being rubbered. There should be limitation and restricted rules for that. Closing the stadiums is a temporary method that couldn't take a part for a long-term. But in whole that mess we have to remember one thing that football without any fans wouldn't have any sense.
ReplyDeleteHave you ever seen that?
Many years ago, when fans were safe and hooligans were far outside of the stadium... there was a saying - everyone dreams about playing or even being on one of the Warsaw Stadium near Lazienkowska street (Legia's Stadium). Other said, the best fans ever. Please enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlkJi9rwgi0
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ReplyDeleteThe only thing that suggests to me, is situation prior to 22 years ago, when on the Hillsborough stadium die 96 spectators. It was a landmark day for English football by simply not normal behavior of hooligans from the islands.
ReplyDeletePrime Minister of Great Britain Margaret Thatcher was coped with so many people. How does she do it? The solution of this impasse was serious investment in safer stadiums. Also provide more security guards and police who should quietly watch over the situation at the stadium, rather than provoke a fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6VM2-CVJw4&feature=related
As for as closing stadiums, it wont solve the problem. Even I think that this solution isn't correct for the real fans who don't generate problems. Why they wont be able to watch the match... because of a hooliganów? Bad idea.
1. What can the police and government do to improve security at stadium?
ReplyDeletePlenty needs to be done both by the government and by the police. I strongly agree with Sebastian - it is not the police role to protect the stadiums from being demolished. Football clubs authorities are to blame for the fact that hooligans are let into the areas. One of the famous decissions was made when Rzezniczak, Legias player was hit in the face by a hooligan who managed to get on the pitch (a hooligan who have alraedy had a stadium ban by the way). Legia's authorities along with Rzezniczak met with a hooligan and they both agreed that both parties acfted out, and may have overreacted a bit.
2. One of the ideas is to introduce electronic ID badges for the hooligans who have a stadium ban. The young gentleman mustn't leave his home during every match of his team. I sure hope they introduce these badges in Poland.
3. This is a temporary & a very unsuccessful solution. Not only did the hooligans get punished but all supporters as well. Club authorities should start spending money on better preparation for the events as well as hiring professional guards to secure stadiums from nutbags.
1. Do not hesitate to treat hooligans as they deserve it - arrest, try, send to jail, make pay, execute fines, fight, open fire.
ReplyDelete2. Do not let the hooligans into the stadiums - let them have their own "ustawki" in an empty and secure from public spot and allow them freely to kill each other - all in all it's their free will
3. Close the stadiums for anyone suspicious, hire triple security and arm them, only allow calm people who seem not to cause any trouble. It works for clubs, why not use it here.
Government should take strong opposing actions to prevent what is happening now. The best way is to keep stadium hooligans from the stadiums. Police should enforce the stadium bans and make sure that people with stadium bans do not enter the stadiums. Unfortunately it is not yet the case. Bracelets that inform the police that during a football game a person with stadium ban gets even close to the stadium seem to be a good idea. If that does not help the police should simply arrest the worst hooligans or make them report to a police station during a football game.
ReplyDeleteFans entering stadiums without any control are unacceptable. If we did not have any problems with hooligans than I would not be opposed but in this case we have to take all preventive measures to fight this problem. Before entering the stadium people should be searched for sharp objects and weapon. People with stadium bans should not be let in. The police should have a thorough control of who is entering and who is leaving. For this reason we need good monitoring on the stadiums.
Closing the stadiums seems a very strong preventive measure but at the same time the situation has gotten so bad that any other measure might not do. If we want to fight this problem we must fight quick. It might seem unfair for other fans who go to football matches to actually enjoy football but it is also done for their own protection. I think that closing the stadiums will not completely solve the problem but will not hurt to introduce such a method. Any harsh preventing method now should be accepted by people because it is all done for their own safety.
1. In my opinion hooligans should be registered and banned from entering stadions. There also should be special security force and gates to segregate people.
ReplyDelete2. For me it is simply mistake. I can say from my experience that no control even on canteen can end with total chaos.
3. Closing stadions will not change anything. It will only punished normal fans and hooligans will still do, what they do the best elsewhere.
1. What can the police and government do to improve security at stadium?
ReplyDeleteWe should learn from countries that had and now haven't problems with fans. If the policy of stadiums in England is effective, why not do it?
2. What do you think about fans entering stadiums without any control?
I think that all fans should be registered. Then we can control them and do stadium bans for individual units and these bans should be forever and for all club and representation stadiums.
3. Do you think that closing stadiums will solve this problem?
Closing the stadium is the same as giving fines for drinking in the park. Arouses hatred for the government and police. This is not the solution. If there is no properly functioning system, it is not the fault of fans because there is always a margin that will want to stand out.